When it comes to a certain kind of bourbon, it doesn’t matter who you are or how much money you have—you can’t get it unless you’re exceptionally lucky or you’re willing to break the law. In this episode of Gravy, we teamed up with the podcast Criminal to bring you the story of the cult of popularity surrounding Pappy Van Winkle… and how it’s driven some to crime. The Pappy frenzy has law enforcement, bartenders, and even the Van Winkle family themselves wringing their hands.

Listen to more of the Criminal podcast here.

You can find a copy of Michael Veach’s book “Kentucky Bourbon Whiskey: An American Heritage,” here.

Meta Bar in Louisville, Kentucky is here. Old Rip Van Winkle’s website is here… but if you’re really trying to buy a bottle, go here.